Six Reason Why India Will Beat China
Published by Ebey Soman on July 17, 2008 in Asia-
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Ever wondered who will win the economic competition between China and India? Here are the six short answers to your question – the reason why India will become the next Asian Tiger while the Chinese dragon be humiliated.
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Population
India is experiencing a explosive population growth which is predicted to overtake China as the World’s largest population within the next decade. Thus India has the human resources needed to propel its growth. Currently India has the world’s youngest population – almost 1 out of every 10 people in India is below the age of 25. Thus the country has a ton of fresh minds entering the various industry, business, and education sectors. China however is facing a population crisis. The One-Child policy has left many parents to abandon their female children or not desire a female child. Thus more males are born to Chinese families to help with the family income. So China is facing an unequal sex ratio (males: females) in which there are less females for every male in the population. By 2015, China’s population will peak at 1 billion and then decrease steadily while Chinese government struggles with providing care to its aging millions.
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Economy
China’s current economic growth is due to resource accumulation from trades while India’s growth is increasingly based on a more efficient economic sector. In the long run, a more efficient economy will always overtake and surpass a large cumbersome inefficient economy. This is seen today as China buys debts from foreign powers while trying to market their goods and resources to a global market – while India is focusing on specializing their economy and providing better quality services such as the IT sector. Thus unlike China, outsourcing to India has grown rapidly and by 2010, it is expected to be 56 billion dollars a year. Currently every major company has begun to invest heavily in India and has started to rely on Indian engineers for their next-generation products. Google lead scientist, Krishna Bharat is working on the new core search engine technology in Indian tech capital of Bangalore while companies like GM, Boeing, Motorola, Cisco, HP and many others have begun to make their R&D facilities and Asian headquarters in India. Bangalore, in many ways, has become to Silicon Valley in 1999, with much development and growth headed its way. However, China still manages to hold the 9.5% growth lead thanks to its mass production capabilities – which has begun to see problems due to their bad quality as been by the lead in Kingfisher toys or the poisons in Chinese imported fish.
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Industry
China is a leading producer of marketable good and a major mass producer of such goods. Thus to maintain their lead, China is working on industrial plants geared towards their production sector. Meanwhile, India is a rising power in the software, design, services and precision industry. There is no other IT sector in the world that can compare to or even hold its own against India. So what is the key difference maker between India and China? Well China is what we call a light industry producer while India is the heavy Industry producer. While China makes the toys and the T-shirts that we see as common goods on the market, India is making industrial grade steel used in making skyscrapers, tanks and ships while its automotive industry is experiencing unprecedented growth. Thus in the short run, China will experience a growth that’s mainly due to its ability to sell common goods, it is going to have trouble with heavy industry. A good example of this would be the Chinese attempt to kick start their automotive industry – which continues to be a failure and fails to reach a global audience. Meanwhile Indian companies such as TATA is making headlines by making more cheaper and efficient cars and making deals with western companies like GM and many others. More recent was the takeover of Jaguar and Land Rover by Indian TATA motors – an indicator of India’s heavy growth industry seeking to expand its influence worldwide.
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Education System
Every year both India and China produce over 500 thousand engineers who graduate with high degrees – compared to the 60 thousand who graduate in the US. Out of the 500 thousand, a better part of them are Indian graduates. India has the 2nd largest English speaking population out of the English nations and 2nd largest nation with the most English speakers per GDP. India’s education system has proven to be far more advanced than its Chinese counterpart. Indian Institutes of Technology (IIT) is a world prestigious institution that even rivals western universities at the quality of education it provides – churning out the engineers and IT professionals of tomorrow. Currently, India is the 2nd largest producer of Engineers, scientist and doctors. Other educational intuitions like the Indian Institute of Science (IIsc) and the Business school have all set standards as the world benchmark. Meanwhile in China, low English speaking populations with high illiteracy rates have been a turnoff for many companies and opportunity seekers. India’s education have steadily been increasing while corruption, and lack of uncontrolled and wasteful spending has not been beneficial to the education sector.
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Environmental Consequences
As with any developing country, India and China both are heavy producers of pollution which continues to contribute to the global warning. Massive and forcible seizures of land, the destruction of usable housing structures, reduction of arable land, and environmental degradation in China has all contributed to a environmental policies for the near future. In an effort to promote the image of growth and modernization, China has done little to research their environmental impact on the planet and thus is harboring an oncoming crisis within the next few decades. India has however been slow to respond like China to the growth, thus making sure safety procedures are more accurately followed. Even today, Chinese companies do not install filters onto their smoke stacks or care for where they dump their industrial garbage while in India, environmental groups (using their freedom of speech & rights) have begun to advocate for better environmental care.
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Growth Investment
China’s economy began its growth spree almost 13 years (1979) before India even emerged on the global economic market. Even when China did emerge, it began to rely on foreign investments too much. Today, China is dependent on foreign investments. The Chinese stock market has already crashed and is still reeling to recover. Almost 70% of the country’s banks have declared bankruptcy and is now riding on foreign investments. Like communist Russia, China is mobilizing its resources trying to issue a mirage of growth by buying US debts, modernizing its army seizing civilian lands for huge building projects – but at what price? In the long run, none of this will stimulate the decaying and crumbling Chinese financial/capital market. There are no private run enterprises in China – for the fear of individualization and loss of government control of the country. So while China is relying on foreign investments and trade, India has been developing a wave of homegrown, innovative private companies, especially in high tech & information sector. For example, even when facing severe international sanctions and trade limitations, Indian civilian and military nuclear program has been effectively successfully, springing forth a homegrown nuclear technology capable of processing Thorium – unlike all the other nuclear technology that uses uranium.
Just like that, Indian companies have grown on their own, and are now emerging on the world markets. TATA Group, Reliance Corp, Mittal Steel and many others have begun to takeover European and American companies – expanding their global reach. India’s stock markets have grown exceedingly large; the Bombay stock market has broken numerous domestic and international records. Indian companies are earning more due to the 20% returns on the investment opportunities in India – thus the reason for Japan’s recent 5 billion dollar investment in the “industrial corridor” of India. Overall, India is growing at a rate that ensures quality while experiencing record breaking growth – something China has failed to do.
You need to get your facts right. But the core message is true.
Well between India and China, India will clearly win in the long run. India has plenty of resources, money and allies to succeed.
Both countries still have many issues to deal with and i believe that after the Olympic games China will focus heavily on resolving some of these issues…already many whispers are being heard about new policies that will be put in place to improve China…and i think you will see BIG changes in China very soon…remember that both of these countries are doing well…in part due to cheaper labour…when this changes so do prices…India is not nearly as developed as China currently is…so to predict this idea of India being a super power over China is premature…and i think people underestimate Chinese determination.
China is heading a a good direction and India can learn a lot from them
India has become a world economic power, with growth over the past three years averaging 8% – a rate approaching that of its booming neighbour, China. Based on purchasing power parity, it is now the world’s fourth largest economy.
World’s largest economies based on PPP
Since India began to open up to the outside world in the late 1980s, it has become increasingly attractive to foreign investors. Its low costs and huge, English-speaking, workforce have made it popular with multinationals for work including manufacturing and call centres.
The success of hi-tech industries in particular has seen large numbers of overseas Indians return, in what has been described as a “brain gain”. They are part of growing middle class, which is seen as a potentially vast domestic market.
How do you summarise a country which is home to one in six members of the human race, which contains a third of the world’s poorest people and yet has an increasingly consumer-oriented middle-class twice the size of the population of Germany?
And which – according to predictions by the CIA and investment bankers Goldman Sachs – could, along with China, come to dominate the global economy in the next few decades?
India has always been hard to get a handle on. In the 28 years that I’ve been visiting, thinking and writing about this vast and varied subcontinent, I’ve clung on to an unnerving, and yet somehow also reassuring, truism: for any generalisation that can be made about India, the opposite is equally true.
So is it or is it not true that, 60 years after partition and independence, India is finally about to take its place on the world stage as a major player?
India has always been on the world stage. The colonization of India by the white Europeans (barbaric savages) reduced its former glory to a 3rd world nation.
Americans (Lester and Victoria, this is for you) would do well to remember that; Recall what the colonization of America by Europeans did to the Native Americans, a group of people that were hundreds of years ahead of the the Europeans on social issues and the status of woman in their societies.
Anyway, back to India; this is what Albert Einstein said about India:
“We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made!”
Albert Einstein
What he is referring to is that both; the number system (0 – 9) that we use today and the decimal system originated in India. So for you Americans; the numbers you print of your dollar bills (that hold even less value today) is because of India !!!
India does indeed face some tough problems if it wants to sustain the 9% growth rate Planning Commissioner Ahulwalia says can happen. Lack of infrastructure tops the list of concerns it has to overcome.
Another driving factor in India’s five-year growth plan is the country’s rising middle class. The middle class currently numbers some 50 million people, but by 2025, that number will expand dramatically to 583 million people — some 41% of the population.
India’ s middle class includes young college graduates to mid-level government officials, traders and business people. They enjoy a lifestyle that most of the world would recognize as middle class. They typically own a television, a refrigerator, a mobile phone and perhaps even a scooter or a car.
The upper end of the middle-class segment includes senior government officials, managers of large businesses, professionals and rich farmers. Successful and upwardly mobile, they are brand-conscious, buying the latest foreign-made cars and electronic gadgets. They are likely to indulge in an annual vacation, usually somewhere in India.
Both segments of the middle class are demanding more from the government, including better education and healthcare.
And the country is responding.
A much-cited 2003 study by Goldman Sachs projects that over the next 50 years, India will be the fastest-growing of the world’s major economies (largely because its work force will not age as fast as the others). The report calculates that in 10 years India’s economy will be larger than Italy’s and in 15 years will have overtaken Britain’s. By 2040 it will boast the world’s third largest economy. By 2050 it will be five times the size of Japan’s and its per capita income will have risen to 35 times its current level. Predictions like these are a treacherous business, though it’s worth noting that India’s current growth rate is actually higher than the study assumed.
The wave of Hindu nationalism that raged through the country in the 1990s is on the wane, for now, and a thoroughly secular government is in power. Headed by Manmohan Singh, the former Finance minister who opened up India’s economy in the summer of 1991, it is also committed to economic reform. In an act of great wisdom and restraint, Sonia Gandhi, who led the ruling coalition to victory in the polls, chose to appoint Singh as prime minister rather than take the job herself. As a result, quite unexpectedly, India’s chaotic and often-corrupt democratic system has yielded as its head of government a man of immense intelligence, unimpeachable integrity and deep experience. Singh, an Oxford Ph.D., has already run the country’s central bank, planning ministry and Finance Ministry. His breadth, depth and decency are unmatched by any Indian prime minister since Nehru.
China just spend 45 Billion Dollars on the Olympic preparation for the games. That is crazy amount when considering that Greece only spend 16 billion in 2004. So somebody has to pay for that 45 billion and the people are going to suffer with the taxes for the next couple of years.
This is why having a democracy makes a nation stronger. It will lead to alot of debate and even discussion for whether or not spending 45 billion on Olympics is worth it.
India changes every time i visit. it has come a long way, but it has a long way to go as well.
Im positive though, that even within the next 20 years, India will be a recognized, respected and ‘official’ world superpower that no one can deny.
The coming future is for Asia, and once again we see prosperity shine on the East, once again will history be kind to this part of the world.
May both India and China prosper like they did in the past.
yes, India has got a population of 1.2 billion and it is going to surpass china. US with 350 million people and economic might still have problems like lack of health insurance,homeless and i’ve seen beggars in seatle and other parts of the US. It does not mean the US is a poor country. India with its huge population and other social problems able to kick start this power house economy. 700 to 800 million people lead a decent life, and it is double the population of the US. Another 200 million live a lower middle class life. Rest live below 2$ per day, that is around 200 million people.
Make no mistake, growth helps lower middle class and poor people to climb up the ladder. India’s growth rate was 700 billion in 2006, and the experts predicted that it would take 10 more years for india to reach 1 trillion dollar economy, but in couple of years time, india has already reached 1.33 trillion dollars GDP (NOMINAL).
In 10 yrs time, india will overtake china. I agree with the above 6 points.
India will beat China – all in its own good time
Democracy will ensure that the tortoise overcomes the hare in the race for competitive advantage, argues William Nobrega
Sunday, 27 July 2008
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Authoritarian regimes often yield strong short-term economic results, as seen in Germany in the 1930s, the Soviet Union in the 1950s, Brazil in the 1960s and China in the 1990s. Unencumbered by such things as property rights, legal recourse and public debate, the authoritarian regime can harness significant economic and political resources to achieve impressive industrial and economic feats.
Conversely, democratic regimes tend to be sloppy affairs with loud public discourse, a vocal press, stubborn land owners and a myriad of civil liberties. Far from being able to harness economic resources, the government often must act more as a regulator. The result is that there are very few grandiose government-sponsored projects. Instead, there are countless private-sector initiatives driven by the invisible hand of the market.
But while the authoritarian regime is envied by some, the fact is that, longer term, this type of socio-economic model has typically led to economic and social distortions.
That is the dilemma faced by China today. Since the 1980s, the government has focused on developing an export-driven economy supported by an artificially undervalued currency. Foreign direct investment was encouraged while domestic consumption was limited. Massive infrastructure projects were initiated, fuelled by a growing trade surplus, with cities sprouting up in the hinterlands like mythical phoenix. For years, the Chinese economy benefited from these policies with double-digit growth in gross domestic product, vast foreign currency reserves, and ever-increasing capital inflows.
But now the economic and social distortions have begun to appear with rising inflation rates, numerous asset bubbles, looming overcapacity and rampant institutionalised corruption. China’s rulers find themselves in a quandary. If the government allows its currency to appreciate rapidly to reduce inflation, it will drive down exports and fuel unemployment. If it fails to quell inflation, social unrest will quickly unfold.
But while the hare runs into obstacles of its own design, the tortoise is looking well placed in the long endurance race for competitive advantage. In India there is an entrenched and vibrant democracy that will ultimately drive it to outperform China socially and economically. Messy, frustrating and more often than not agonisingly slow, India’s democracy would seem chaotic at the surface. But if you look deeper, you will see why the tortoise will prevail. Let’s take a look at two of the big advantages that India’s democracy provides.
PROPERTY RIGHTS
As India becomes urbanised, many families will choose to sell or borrow against their land so that they can start businesses, buy apartments or provide education opportunities for their children. India is at the start of a gradual migration driven by the development of high-end manufacturing and other “sunrise” industries that will require a vast pool of skilled and semi-skilled labour. This migration will create an increasingly urban India that is expected to attract more than 200 million rural inhabitants to “secondary cities” by 2025.
This transition will facilitate the sale of land holdings by an estimated 30 million farmers and 170 million other individuals indirectly tied to the agricultural sector. These sales are expected to generate more than $1 trillion in capital by 2025. This capital will have a multiplier effect on the Indian economy that could exceed $3 trillion.
The development of mortgage-backed security and asset-backed security markets, driven by financial institutions like Citigroup, will create the liquidity required to free up this capital.
China, by contrast, has no rural property rights. The 750 million rural residents who lease land are at the mercy of local and regional government as to what compensation they will receive, if any, when they are forced from the land as a result of development, infrastructure improvements etc. Additionally, they have no right to borrow against their lease, and as such they have no assets. In fact, the Chinese government’s official figures state that more than 200,000 hectares of rural land are taken from rural residents every year with little or no compensation. Between 1992 and 2005, according to some estimates, 20 million farmers were evicted from agriculture due to land acquisition, and between 1996 and 2005 more than 21 per cent of arable land in China was put to non-agriculture use.
The result has not been unexpected, with over 87,000 “mass incidents” (or riots) reported in 2005 – a 50 per cent increase from 2003. Many provincial governments in China have begun to use plain-clothes policemen to beat, intimidate or otherwise subdue any peasant that dares to oppose these land grabs. And, also as would be expected, the beneficiaries from these policies have been developers and corrupt government officials.
RULE OF LAW
This is a cornerstone of any modern society. India has a legal system that has been in place for well over 100 years. It is internationally respected and includes laws that protect intellectual as well as physical property.
The rule of law creates predictability and stability, allowing entrepreneurial behaviour to flourish. This is clearly evident in India, with more than 6,000 companies listed on the stock exchanges, compared to approximately 2,000 in China. More telling is that of these 6,000 listed groups in India, only 100 or so are state-owned. This stands in stark contrast to China, where more than 1,200 belong to the state.
Can there be any doubt where the next Microsoft or Intel will be created? Certainly not China.
More than 100 Indian companies that completed initial public offerings as mid-cap firms now have a market capitalisation of over $1bn (£500m). Companies such as Jet Airways, Bharti Tele-Ventures, Infosys, Reliance Communications, Tata Motors (which just acquired Jaguar), Wipro and Hindalco are becoming multinational competitors with globally recognised brands.
China also has numerous companies with a market capitalisation of more than $1bn, but most of these are state-owned behemoths recognised for their sheer size and not their nimbleness.
When the rule of law is seen by investors and foreign companies as something that is beyond question, it serves to facilitate additional investments in research and development. For instance, 150 of the top global companies now have research and development bases in India. Additionally, the US Food and Drug Administration has certified more companies in India than in any other country outside the US, a testament to the innovation fostered by free markets and the rule of law.
China, meanwhile, has a legal system that does little to protect intellectual and physical property rights; it has been ranked with Nigeria in this respect. Indeed, China’s illegal copying of movies, music and software cost companies $2.2bn in sales in 2006, according to an estimate by lobby groups representing Microsoft, Walt Disney and Vivendi. This figure may in fact be understated as it does not include pirated products that have been shipped to overseas markets by government-controlled Chinese companies.
The rule of law, when applied evenly and justly in a democratic society, also helps to ensure that wealth accumulation does not favour individuals in political office or people connected to those in political office.
Democracy is a messy thing, especially when you have an electorate that exceeds 600 million motivated voters. However, it helps to ensure that individual liberties are respected and that the government is responsive and beholden to the will of the people – rich or poor. A democracy also ensures accountability through impartial courts that help enforce and protect such things as property rights, environmental rights, human rights and good governance.
India’s democracy is far from perfect but it is also quite young, and as incomes rise and the populace becomes more informed, we can expect that India’s state institutions will become more responsive and transparent.
And what about the hare? Consider this: a recent survey found that of the 20,000 richest men in China, more than 95 per cent were directly related to Communist Party officials. Where would you place your bet?
Bismillah-e-rehman-e-raheem,
We Pakistan people doing Jihad against Indian kafir by grace of Allah. and china men giving us low-cost plastic AK-47 and we spreading terror so noone liking indian and noone going to see poverty in indias. Pakistan rox! Inshallah
How funny you indian are. I am curious how you can get the six funny reasons to support your point of view.
Trust me, if you don’t try to find the real reasons that you are behind chinese, you will never overtake them.
Please, dear indian, don’t close your eyes and isloat your heart once more.
lol…wait and watch…..WE R INDIANS AND NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US.
so funny indian guys ,,,,u ll see china is china( great power) ,,,,,, & no one can defeat him ,,,,,,
Interesting post, another group therapy session for Indian’s insecurity about their place on the world stage? Lets look at the six reasons:
1) Population: First, yes India’s population is rising faster than China, but you ever stop to think why China is limiting its population? I mean are Chinese just enjoy not having kids coming from a culture that favors large family traditionally? Given the infantile mortality rate, I think if China wanted to there is no way India could surpass it in population. You could argue the Chinese are just stupid, but do you really believe that or perhaps they know something you don’t?
Secondly, large young population is an advantage if its useful workforce. However, given the illiterate of India, all you gonna have is a bunch of people who can’t read. How can they be productive in any fields except for those using hard labor given the trend is towards automation in the future? Further more, the growing population means increasing population burden on the social welfare and given the poor-rich disparity in India, its not a good thing.
2)BS, get your facts right. China produces a lot more steel than india and is a net imorter of steel. India produces a lot less and is a net exporter. Also China consumes 3 times the energy compare to India so tell me who is more heavy industry based. Don’t make up stuff to make your point.
3)superficial understanding at best, let me know how it goes in a few more years.
4)How can you shameless claim this with the level of illiteracy rate in India? BTW, China have a lot more research institutitons ranked in top 500 of world research universites than India. And what is the claim about low illiteracy rate in China? Its at 93% compare to India’s 60.
5)Environment, India is not even at the stage of industrialization and look at the condition of its river. I shutter to think what happen if it is developing like China.
6)Again superficial at best, jsut tell me one thing in US that is made by an indian company? Ever heard of Lenovo? Harrier?
1) yes, its true that india is far behind of china in the current scenario but considering the interval of time that india has had after independence is very less compared to china(60 years)while its rate of development and growth is faster than that of china which has had much more time for development after independence
2) yes, india has a greater rate of illiteracy but those who are educated are considered more skilled and intelligent than chinese
3) but still india has to overcome many problems like the corrution and inequality of wealth to emerge as a greater power.
i respect chinese as well indians but being an indian im on india’s side but i hope that in future these 2 countries will be the best allies (as uk-us)
To Nabeel
You know, I really hate people who boasts without even bother checking their facts and data. Just do a google search for verification for god sake.
1. Dude, should look at the date of nation finding vs that of china. India was founded in 1947, China in 1949. India’s growth rate have been consistently behind that of China for most of the time. currently, China is averaging 10% growht rate while India is at 8%.
2. I wonder what allows you to make sucha claim that India’s elite is better than China’s? Cause if that is the case, why is DRDO which represent cream of the crop for Indian research sucks so much compare to its Chinese counter part?
3. right, claim you have conquered corruption and inequality after you have done it first please. As far as I can tell, the country is still plagued with those problems.
To Nabeel,
How can you claim that educated Indian is more skilled and intelligent? If you talk about English skill, probably yes. But about skill. Is this right that India export mostly raw material to China and import manufactured goods? Is this right that farming productivity of India only a half or a third of China? Where are your skill?
About intelligence: is this right that IQ of average Chinese is 105, the highest in the world, whereas of average Indian is 82, among the lowest.
india will be a super power a warnig to china pakistan and other
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What impresses me the most is that India as young as India is…I am of course referring to it’s independence; in a little over 60 years, it has set itself up to be a super power in the very near future.
No Way , I think we should n’t go by MBA Marketers analytics. Bottom line county with products rule the world since they control the market and inflow and outflow. Take any sector and tell me what products we indian make Tata’s or cheap cars ? have you guys seen the quality indica gear box will blew after 3 years . Korea who is 1/10 th size produces hyundai, samsung etc. US who has products like google. orcle, microsoft. Japan which has toyota sony etc. what we have, we are skilled labor but needs to learn and how to become masters. It is not IITS (a few grads who struggle hard to get into it but don’t know what to do afterwards most of the people work in any mnc and be a slave afterwards.) Look why israel is great country because thy have very successful startups.
I think is very long run to be a superpower but I think it is very challenging to sustain the global war. Every one is smart and other countries have very good echo system than india and china.
Some one very respected gentle man told me making a dress is not that important but designing the dress and I think We as a nation needs to think and every one has to contribute to this cause.
Nguyen
whr are u getting the iq facts
please cite
(and not some chinese nationalist website)
To Silly:
You are absolutely right. The main problem India faces that it runs solely on its people and not on its policies (almost every machinary of politics, governance and social welfare is in-eficient and outdated). With a growing population and lack of efficient policies and instruments to utilize the human resource properly, India will just become an overflowing slum. The resources are less and demands set to increase, faster than the rate the resources (be it education, jobs, industry, infrastructure anything). Result will be higher cost and increased disparity. It is true China’s growth rate may be slower than India in future but still it will beat in its absolute GDP figures. Much like the US. Another very very important thing is the strong political will of the Chinese Govt. to make their country no. 1. Thus they bring out growth friendly policies, contain the dissent among people and focus on all round development. I have been to China myself and widely travelled even to its interiors. I felt the infrastructure and living conditions in small Chinese cities (which don’t even figure out in a world map) is better than many so called metros India has. The key difference is in China they bring the facilities to the people and in India we feel the people should move to the facilities. So India’s urban population keeps rising and our interior areas lack any significant progress in decades.
In the end I would like to severly disagree with the author. I feel it is just an attempt to bank on the emotions of the Indians who very conveniently still regard China as the land of short yellow opium smoking people living in rural conditions.
OK i am an Indian i don’t know whether India will become a superpower or not,but if India is on the development path like this i can assure you its never going to happen
take for example
1.one road in your city you use most often.how many things have been changed in that road from the time you have seen it, did the roads improved(basic infrastructure),is it possible till now to go to an place without spending more than 5 minutes standing in traffic in signals,can you find buses where you can travel comfortably,in the rainy season do you find easy moving from one place to another.see other countries how they made their roads how easy it is to move around places is it happening in India
2.How far we are successful in education.its no use in providing education to 100 students without getting any thing in to their mind.if we make at least 10 people to think on their own then you really say him as educated,But are we doing so
does our education make people to think?
3.quota, i really wonder can any one in future can solve this issue .Because of this the talents are never recognized
4.the one who wrote this article have written about IITs and IIMs
though they are premier institutions their intake is very low and more over how many those who have passed out of IIT and IIM work in India, do we have all IIT passed outs working for India
5. IT sector have been a huge income to the government.but its about to reach its saturation.so have the government thought of the future field where the growth can be made(i.e nanotechnology),from which the income can be yielded.?
6.In India rich getting richer poor getting poorer.The one whom i saw pulling rickshaw is doing the same job .son of my house maid who is 20 years goes for daily wage have the government made any progress for making the people to realize the importance of education.Leave it in shops where you buy groceries haven’t you seen children working for daily wages what sort of step the government is taken ,these scenes never changed for past 40 years but we will become super power?
7.Black money how much money have the government recovered from the Swiss bank may be in millions or in billions?
having nuclear weapons and missile will never make a country a super power.
A COUNTRY CAN BECOME SUPERPOWER ONLY WHEN ITS PEOPLE GET ABILITY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD,BETTER AND BEST.FOR THAT THE EDUCATION IS THE ONLY SHORTCUT APART FROM THE RESOURCE IT HOLDS WHAT EVER IT MAY BE
India might have had its glorious past but we have to look for future and act today to make tomorrow a better one
if you really want to do some thing to your country its just too simple
do your duty and educate others
Jai hind
where is the comparison of military power????
my dear friends why we r dying to be a superpower . there is no need to have certification from others that we r superpower .just do ur work hard and fullfil all the responsiblities towards nation .and rest part left for the almighty god .
a common indian man
ha ha indians run when they see the enemy
great !!! u indian arrogant u think u r great and no. one in the word but why r u closing eye from truth.. largest begger n poor country is dreaming to buy world… the day india rule over the word will be the end day of the world. Great copeir n cheater r hoping to win the race who is not even able to move a step. keep yelling pity indian
friends brothers and sisters to make our nation a best strategic and unbeatable one we have to concentrate even on agriculture which is playing a key role in building our nation we have to create food security in our country besides being increasing yeild and production and still unable to feed every indian child by keeping old people aside only social and reaserch organisations alone cannot make this. its a responsibility of every indian,many of greate people sacrificed for our future in past so now we are here and time has passed since now its going to be our turn to make our future and nations future to be upheld to stars so lets ignite every young mind to play their part for our nation
chinese guys go be the slave of ur useless government……….. ever heard what freedom is i guess not………..being slaves after being independent hahaha a poor guy in india lives better life than a rich guy in china atleast he can do what he wants . u say india will not surpass china haha u guys are highly dependent on usa . the day usa kick ur ass then tell me who will surpass who . official slaves of 21st century hahaha think before u comment . does development only matter ask ur self .u came to became slaves or live ur own life think.,………….. . atleast what we have we can call it ours u guys can’t even do that . it might be less but it is ours………. not because of some other country like usa i din’t comment to angry any one it is the truth……………………….face it
We can travel a little time to past.Think about US and USSR.What was their policy and what happened to them??USSR not give enough freedom to the people so that it eventually collapse.We can compare the growth of India and China as US and USSR.In china the growth is mainly based on the government but in India it is mainly based on peoples .India have much more freedom than many more country it is grater than Europe.Example in India we can speak about Nasy or Hitler or use swastika but what about of rest of world they believe they have more freedom than India???In India people believe free-dome is more important than any thing else they can make strike but in china any one have the courage to do that??My conclusion is that free-dome is the most valuable asset than any thing in that case India reach No one position in the world so everything else come one by one after it.
very interesting reading from an uneducated person’s dream of India.
India is and will never be anything more then what it is today.
Ruled by their own laws with a few rich very rich who will never share with the poor. Arrogant uneducated idiot’s calling themselves in the for front of the it industries. 99 percent of their certificates are printed out on their home computers we have more Indian doctor’s then we have passing the university.
I read this article than I understand the situation between these two countries , India should beat china after some time because as a manufacturing sector growth rate (eg steel , automation industry, coal etc) many more and china manufacturing sector based on normal house hold goods eg toys, electronic items, clothes etc so we can conclude in terms of high groth rate indain beat china ,
Education sector: indain education sector is more developed in the world well know institutions in the world eg IISC, IITs, IIms, NITs so higher engineering ,and maengment institute deliver better quality man power,
Mostly Indian population is youth and ever 10 person 1 person is below 10 y old that’s shows that india have more human power ,as compared to china faceing a one child strategy because inblance childe ration more male than female are prefer chinise people.
Indain should beat china after some time
dear indians, we would have surpassed china easily , if our pakistani and bangla brothers would have been with us, its pitty that we are divided on the basis of religion.think of it
i don’t know whether india become a super power or not….last time my father earn 5(around 2 to 3 lakhs rupees) thousand dollar per year,Currently am earning 70 thousand dollar per year…. my point of view ..we growing faster
@durgesh Your knowledge on China manufacturing is History. Please do some homework before you make further comments.
In 2009, China was the World largest exporting Nation,
China export of consumer goods like toys, apparell, shoes and electronic goods constiitute only 18% of her Total Export.
The rest are made up of the following:-
Electrical machinery & Equipment 30%
Power Generation Equipment 25%
Iron & Steel 5%
Opitcs & Medical Equipment 4%
Ships & Boats 3%
Vehicles (motor car, coaches & Buses) 3%
Railway & Rolling stock 2%
Chemicals 4%
China is now leader in Ship Building, Renewable energy, High Speed Train, and construction of Infrastructure such as expressway, tunnels and bridges. By 2018, China expressway network will surpass USA.
China produces and consumed 50% of the World total steel production. She is also the world biggest producer of Aluminium, gold, graphite, lead and cement.
Indigenious Chinese owned companies are now exporting more than $ 500 billion which surpassed developed countries like
Britain, Italy, Holland, Russia, South Korea and Canada.
Alibaba Dot Com will give you all the informations what china produce & Manufacture.
EDUCATION: You claimed that India have far better institution of Learning than China especially on IT. Let me tell you this.
In 2009 International Programming Compeition sponsored by US National Security Agency, not a single Indian entered the Grand Final inspite of sending in the 2nd largest group of participants. Guess what, the Chinese dominated. Of the 70 finalists; 20 were Chinese, 10 Russian, 1 American. The champion was a 18 yr old under graduate from Shanghai Jiatung University. This university has the honour of being the champion for 4 times. No Indian university have ever achieved such honour inspite of producing one of the largest pool of English speaking IT graduates.
Of The Top 10 World fastest Super Computer, China has two and the 2nd fastest after US Cray. India fastest has drop to 33rd position. Since India boasted so much of their expertise in IT and Software, I would expect they should be the World No. 1.
In International Maths & Science Olympia, for the last 10 yrs, Chinese students dominated. Indians inspite of claiming that they had invented the numbers. Geometry & Algebra, failed miserably in the ranking among Nations.
What have you got to say ?
@Ebbey Soman & Durgesh
Both of you said that with Indian explosive population and a young Indian workforce India will overtake China.
It is a myth. There is no point having a large young unskilled workforce. They will just end up as labourers.
I just read this news from the Washington Post. The headline “India looking to China for labour skills”
Chinese workers are helping Delhi on big infrastructure projects.
Increasingly, Indian companies are relying on the expertise of Chinese workers to build mega infrastructure projects.
Chinese workers have worked on ports, highways and power and steel plants in India.Chinese equipment and expertise have
also been used in a crude oil refinery, a cable-supporting bridge,telecommunications networkds and even the glass facade of the new airport termainal in New Delhi.
“India may be an IT superpower and producing thousands of doctors and lawyers every year, but the biggest gap is in the availability of skilled electricians, carpenters, welders, mechanics and masons who can build mega infrastructure projects,” said Mr Raghav Gupta , president at Technopak, a consultancy that released a report on skill development last year.
The Indian workers are learning a new work ethic from the Chinese and are now more punctual, not stopping work to take frequent tea breaks or gossip, said one of the Indian worksite Managers at a Steel project.
@Ebbey Soman & Durgesh
Both of you said that with Indian explosive population and a young Indian workforce India will overtake China.
It is a myth. There is no point having a large young unskilled workforce. They will just end up as labourers.
I just read this news from the Washington Post. The headline \”India looking to China for labour skills\”
Chinese workers are helping Delhi on big infrastructure projects.
Increasingly, Indian companies are relying on the expertise of Chinese workers to build mega infrastructure projects.
Chinese workers have worked on ports, highways and power and steel plants in India.Chinese equipment and expertise have
also been used in a crude oil refinery, a cable-supporting bridge,telecommunications networkds and even the glass facade of the new airport termainal in New Delhi.
\”India may be an IT superpower and producing thousands of doctors and lawyers every year, but the biggest gap is in the availability of skilled electricians, carpenters, welders, mechanics and masons who can build mega infrastructure projects,\” said Mr Raghav Gupta , president at Technopak, a consultancy that released a report on skill development last year.
The Indian workers are learning a new work ethic from the Chinese and are now more punctual, not stopping work to take frequent tea breaks or gossip, said one of the Indian worksite Managers at a Steel project.
CHINA is making tremendous progress in High Technology.
According to New York Times dated on 28/10/2010 China built Tianhe-1A whizzes past US to take the top spot in Supercomputer rankings.
This means that China has 3 top 10 fastest supercomputer in the World. According to China, the next Supercomputer will be entirely using Chinese made micro-chips and processors.
Meanwhile, China had launched their 6th Beidu communication satellites reaching to another step of building their own GPS.
China Chang\’e II is now orbiting above the moon surface and go as low as 15 km to map out the entire lunar surface in three dimension view for future lunar landing.
When the mission is completed in 6 moths time, the Chinese space agency will direct the space craft into deep space as part of the future plan to reach distant planets.
i think that india defeat china in population because in india the population is increasing fast from china. if india wand to defeat china in exports there is a need for increase the production of country.this is not make india only number one exporter of the world but also give employment to the indians
Those who peoples criticizes about india will surely one day will see how s india going to emerge i don’t know u guyz are from which country but i think u r never from china we india and china are growing faster what about your country is still today like normal but we r the two countries emerging to be a super country and u know what you are jealous with our country.In 1960 the world some of the people said that china will emerge in 2000.some people criticizes like u and now you saying that china s supreme country so think what i said about it.I m not anger with you but u need to know
Why are you people fighting among yourselves regarding India,China,Pakistan… Please the governments or the older generation have fought and we have seen the consequences or suffered the consequences…. Whatever happens to India or China have a huge impact on the global economy.. So sad to know that you guys argue over who is better or smarter…These is evident from the inflations and low agricultural productions recently…US and Europe are facing terrible unemployment and debt problems respectively and worse still aging populations… They are not in a situation to stimulate the world economy..So in order for the world economy to grow and generate jobs.. India and China are going to consume and spend to boost the global economy…And the more educated people we have in society,the more propserous we become.. quote by if i am not wrong Adam Smith…If anyone thinks what i said was wrong,i apologise\”I am sorry\” but think about it
kena pundakala neengalam oru kena koodhi punda
SGK pundamavan
India is not on the same level of
China.
Read this article from Indian Nobel prize winner:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/indicators/india-china-growth-race-silly-says-amartya-sen/articleshow/7495507.cms
It says:
NEW DELHI: India’s leading economist, Nobel Prize winner Amartya Sen , dismissed on Monday the “silly” obsession of comparing the economic growth rates of China and India.
In a lengthy critique of the practice, Sen argued that New Delhi was far behind in the growth race, but more importantly it lagged in other criteria that showed real living standards were far inferior in India.
There are a couple of key factors which prevent India to take over China.
1) Government system. India has the world’s biggest democracy. With only 63% literacy rate, democracy leads to inefficiency. Democracy only is superior when literacy is above 95%. China is actually near the stage where democracy can begin. China has 93% literacy rate. That is why China, India were @ about same GDP 20 years ago and now, China is 4x bigger than India. If you take a look at China carefully, it has actually been slowly transforming herself from pure communist state to capitalistic state.
2) Culture:
Indians very focus on the results and Chinese very focus on the process. I have been working with many Indians and Chinese in US. In many projects, Indians will get job done faster than Chinese. But if you look at the architectures of the products Indians deliver, most of their designs are around principle of short development cycle. Chinese project development takes longer time with much better architecture design and later, it saves tons of headache of redesign things. That is why China took difficult route, develop good infrastructure, manufacture prowess vs Indian took easy route, develop expertise in IT (easy to get into this field, less pre-work vs China, which needs to build road, etc). Now, it bites back. Without good infrastructure which is like blood circulation of human body. Indian lag very behind of China.
3) Creativity and risk taking
Many Indians think they smarter than Chinese. Chinese lack of creativities and they are robots. This is completely false. The truth is the other way around. Who came up with this unique type of government (Hybrid of capitalism and communism)? Answer is China! Chinese were willing to take huge risk and came up with a unique government type which suit for their own people. That is why Chinese achieved their economic miracle and pulled 500 million people out of Poverty. Indians are very conservative and don’t want to take any risks, imitate western government, call it biggest democracy in the world. (how can this be creative?), and that is why Indian is very lagging behind. Be creative and Risk taking at the same time has made China #2 economy. Maybe Indians are smarter @ small things bu Chinese are wiser and seeing big pictures.
wow u sparked a debate with lots of interesting inputs and even a few ‘personal’ comments. I have no idea about the accuracy of your article but it is very well written and argued.
Nice one!
Well it’s now 2011 and China’s GDP is US$5 Trillion compared to Indias US$1.3 Trillion.
China must be shaking in their boots.
wtf….is superpower..nthing is gonna happen if india becomes a superpower.wht a superpower country does…..supress other countries…like the US is doing….thts why every other country hate and most of d people on earth hate US.we should only focus to improve d living standard of every citizen of india.india is not an aggressive nation thts why…apart frm these 2 fcking country….no one hates india.u can see wht is hppning wid d chinese…US,EUROPE,VIETNAM,RUSSIA,JAPAN,MANGOLIA,TAIWAAN,INDONESIA,SOUTH KOREA,AND MANY MORE……..even if chinese wd be able to build huge military..suppose 100 times bigger than US has presently….even though it cannot become superpower…because superpower country needs to have soft power…which d US have….chinese can only dream of being superpower…..india has good chance….in d long run….so enjoy indians…don’t waste time arguing these pakistani and chinese mindless people……have fun…all d best to all indians…bharat mata ki jai…
i am an african businessman, and i have both been to india china and other african and asian countries. what i can say form my experience is that India still have a very long way to go to even dream of catching up with china.But i think it is possible,only if the indian people change their way of working and behaving. Because what i noticed in china is that they are very hard working people,dedicated,dont complain,creative, and they have a very high commitment to develop their country as whole to be number 1 in the world. i was struck by the optimism and commitment by this people towards their role as individuals to nation building for the good of all. I dont know if its as a result of earlier communism they practice(which more or less entails working together for the benefits of all), but i think if indians can develop such mentalities then they can start thinking of catching up with china. Even in africa where i am from,every where i travel i see chinese engineers,businessmen,workers, and companies(telecommunications,banking,etc) they are helping africa develop infrastructure as never before, in fact what the chinese have done in africa for the past 10years only, is far better than what the west did after centuries of colonalization in africa.this has help china to have a very positive image among us african. even though we know china is after resources first,but at least they give africans something in return and they dont lecture us the so called”democracy” which the west is always trying to imposeed on africans,memanwhile they have been the ones supporting african dictators who serve their interests for decades(example of my country coameroon where the president was able to hold on to power after FRance and Us support). the west has nothing to lecture africans about nor do they have to lecture china for their political system, evry country has its own domestic reality and only them can choose which method is best suited for them. What i have come to notice is that the west is trying to play India gainst China, because they have found out that it will be easier for them to influence India than China, since China has a different political and economic system which works so far. so all i can say is please indians wake up,dont let the west deceive and make u sleep by trhowing flowers at u,with your so called democracy. let me tell no country can really be said to be democratic.also last i checked China GDP alone is bigger than all the other BRICS country combined.And to be fair i will prefer to leave in the so call”undemocratic and authoritarians sate” of china than in india. cuz life quality there is much better. So what i can say is that for now there is no way you can start comparing India top china. China is just in another league and the only country they look up to now is the US. but i hope withn time india will see through the game of the west and wake up,untill then theres no comparism. thanks
you paki, yes, china will give you arms, and then they will make you eat pigs, not halal, wake up and take a look in the mirror and say that that’s life, I am paki
I personally like China very much, I\\\’ve been living there for the past seven years. The last thing China cares about is P-A-K-I-S-T-A-N. Even America doesn\\\’t care about you as a nation.
Personally I\\\’d like to see China being the next super power.
are you serious? india can\’t even handle SEA games..
What a joke. Just ask any reasonable person in China if they would rather live in slum-infested, toilet-free India and they’ll think you’re nuts for even asking. People who have never been to China mistake it for a Soviet-era police state… unless you’re organizing mass demonstrations specifically against the central government, no one is going to do anything to you. China is pretty much like Singapore in terms of human rights… you have all the freedom in the world unless you publicly attack the government…the question is, would you seriously want to live in India over Singapore? Give it a few years, and China will eventually be democratic just as South Korea and Taiwan has transitioned from autocracies into democracies over time.
Before India becomes a “superpower,” it will first have to get its people to stop defecating on the streets of its major cities.
Now-a-days, India becoming developed.World’s second hightest english speaking people are from india.In case of China,maximum people speaks chinese. In case of business India becoming develop.
Education of India is develop than China.Hightest number of doctor,engineer,scientist form India comparing China.
China is technologically develop than India,but india is develop than china in many ways.
Please don’t make comparison between India and China,each country has its own capacity.China’s development may be due to its centralized government system.Let two country develop.Development is better than collapse,even America’s development.When America was at economic boom they allowed many Indians and Chinese to migrate.Now what is happening visa restriction is at the peek.
In an Era where a signature can infest more harm than ten’s of Nukes together , what are you expecting is a Nuclear war….???
Human society is already undergoing so many critical issues concerning increasing global demand of Resources and supplies.
We need to work and co-operate together so as to make life worth living.
And all those stupid morons , who lack sufficient data and basis of criticism should adhere to the fact that these both countries are having different grounds , so there is no basis for comparison.One if completely democratic whereas one is communist.
People have different mindsets and lifestyles , and each one of them have got different sets of problems to tackle with. A comparison would be vague and waste of time.
Try to learn from each other and Develop and prosper.
Indians are not your bloody slaves , neither are we unskilled. Its just that we people care and have value for humanity and life.We have a totally different mindset and thinking approach than rest of the world because of our ancient cultures.
The amount of flexibility , and hospitality that you will find in India is truly immense.
And most important of all , please do not create a wrong and negative figure of Indian in your mind just because of fellow negative and self-centered citizens that you sometimes encounter.Every country has people of those sort.
Live and let Live.
Thanks,
A common average Indian Teenager , who dreams of a better world and not just India itself.
Chinese are only the servants of their country without rights but in India even a poor has the same right to mukesk ambani,one of the richest person in the world.
If chinese are so proud please meet me in facebook(banned in china)
Well, I respect both countries, they both r possible superpowers. But due to China’s current status, India will require time to become a superpower. 1.5+billion people on 3% of the world’s land. its needs to solve that, I will say that they r both important. china cannot match india in software and design though
@Hrishi Sh@rm@
I agree with u completely. as long as both countries r major powers and r helping the world. America has a way of twisting the public’s’ view of other countries. NO COUNTRY IS A SLAVE OF THE USA.
so all americans out there, dont think you r sooo powerful. u would be nothing with out India and china and other countries. Why? because a lot of materials r mase there. children r forced to work 15 hr a day to make christmas decorations. just because its cheaper. i wouldnt talk
Let’s stop all this nonsense. China has beaten India hands down.
From size of economy, life expectancy, to GDP growth rate, to current account surplus, to literacy, to military, to infrastructure, to social stability, to its 1962 war, China has kicked India’s ass…and badly.
Now India is struggling with governance issues (between secularists and hard-core Hindu fanatics, BJP), its economy is struggling, it has massive social problems (including rape and of course the Hindu fanatics desire to force Hindutva on everyone). Plus, every region has a separatist movement from Kashmir, Assam, Tamil Nadu, Naxalites, Khalistan, etc.
China is the real deal and India is the West’s poodle to try to combat China’s great rise. China delivers results, India doesn’t deliver, it just talks.
Such as how it has a democratic advantage over China. Really??? Well, if so, why hasn’t India’s 60 years of democratic lead allowed it to beat China in even one single area???